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Logmanoriginal: /* Organization */ Example list of topics

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Organization: Example list of topics

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	:In my experience, transitioning programmers want to know the difference between what they are used to and how LabVIEW compares to that. Unfortunately this can mean different things to different people. In general, however, they want comparison charts, reference lists, and tips and tricks. Novice programmers on the other hand want to understand the basics and see quick results (otherwise they get demotivated quickly). This is very hard to balance. I suggest to have multiple sections on this portal, perhaps based on the Core 1-3 training levels? So one section would provide links to pages that aid in the training exercises or extend on the knowledge provided in those lessons. --[[User:Logmanoriginal\|Logmanoriginal]] ([[User talk:Logmanoriginal\|talk]]) 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)		:In my experience, transitioning programmers want to know the difference between what they are used to and how LabVIEW compares to that. Unfortunately this can mean different things to different people. In general, however, they want comparison charts, reference lists, and tips and tricks. Novice programmers on the other hand want to understand the basics and see quick results (otherwise they get demotivated quickly). This is very hard to balance. I suggest to have multiple sections on this portal, perhaps based on the Core 1-3 training levels? So one section would provide links to pages that aid in the training exercises or extend on the knowledge provided in those lessons. --[[User:Logmanoriginal\|Logmanoriginal]] ([[User talk:Logmanoriginal\|talk]]) 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
	:*So, should the flow of topics on this page should be the order we think a new programmer should take, then also have links to things a transitioning programmer would need as well? I did create this page to start a comparison for text-based programmers, [[Text-Based terminology]]. I also started the ''[[:Category:Skill Level\|Skill Level]]'' category with ''[[:Category:Beginner\|Beginner]]'', ''[[:Category:Intermediate\|Intermediate]]'', and ''[[:Category:Advanced\|Advanced]]'' subcategories to help with grouping topics. However, some pages have beginner information and ''tips and tricks'' that would be intermediate or advanced on the same page. --[[User:Q\|Q]] ([[User talk:Q\|talk]]) 20:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)		:*So, should the flow of topics on this page should be the order we think a new programmer should take, then also have links to things a transitioning programmer would need as well? I did create this page to start a comparison for text-based programmers, [[Text-Based terminology]]. I also started the ''[[:Category:Skill Level\|Skill Level]]'' category with ''[[:Category:Beginner\|Beginner]]'', ''[[:Category:Intermediate\|Intermediate]]'', and ''[[:Category:Advanced\|Advanced]]'' subcategories to help with grouping topics. However, some pages have beginner information and ''tips and tricks'' that would be intermediate or advanced on the same page. --[[User:Q\|Q]] ([[User talk:Q\|talk]]) 20:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
			:::Yes that is right. The categories are fine in my opinion and it shouldn't be a problem if pages cover both basic and advanced skill levels, so long as the learning curve is not too steep. It is probably safe to assume that transitioning programmers can assess on their own if a particular topic or section is of interest to them. The focus should be on new users with no prior knowledge. Topics like [[Text-Based terminology]] should probably be listed under advanced topics at the end of the page or in a separate section altogether. Here is a rough sketch of what I mean (there are probably better names for the sections).
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			\| <span style="display:block; font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif; font-size:1.5em; border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;">Fundamentals</span>
			This section covers topics and supplemental information for the LabVIEW Core 1 training course. These topics are aimed at new users.

			* '''Environment'''
			** [[LabVIEW]]
			** [[Virtual Instrument]]
			** [[Front Panel]]
			** [[Block Diagram]]
			** [[Icon Editor]]
			** [[Connector pane]]
			* '''Data types'''
			** [[Boolean data type]]
			** [[Integer data type]]
			** [[String data type]]
			* '''Structures'''
			** [[Functions Palette/Programming/Structures/While Loop\|While Loop]]
			** [[Functions Palette/Programming/Structures/For Loop\|For Loop]]
			** [[Functions Palette/Programming/Structures/Case Structure\|Case Structure]]
			* '''Tools'''
			** [[Debugging]]
			* '''Design patterns'''
			** [[State Machine]]

			<span style="display:block; font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif; font-size:1.5em; border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;">Intermediate</span>
			This section covers topics and supplemental information for the LabVIEW Core 2+3 trainig course. These topics are aimed at users who are familiar with LabVIEW fundamentals.

			* '''Environment'''
			** [[LabVIEW Project]]
			** [[Project Library]]
			** [[Application Builder]]
			** [[Run-Time Engine]]
			* '''Data types'''
			** [[Array data type]]
			** [[Cluster data type]]
			* '''Structures'''
			** [[Functions Palette/Programming/Structures/Event Structure\|Event Structure]]
			* '''Design patterns'''
			** [[Event Handler]]
			** [[Producer/Consumer]]
			** [[Queued Message Handler]]
			** [[Functional global variable]]

			<span style="display:block; font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif; font-size:1.5em; border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;">Advanced</span>
			This section covers information for advanced LabVIEW topics. These topics are aimed at experienced users who are familiar with the core concepts of LabVIEW.

			* [[Object-oriented programming]]
			* [[VI Server]]

			<span style="display:block; font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif; font-size:1.5em; border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;">Experts</span>
			This section covers topics for expert LabVIEW users with experience in programming medium to large-scale applications in LabVIEW.

			* [[VI Scripting]]
			* [[Actor Framework]]
			* [[XControl]]
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			:::--[[User:Logmanoriginal\|Logmanoriginal]] ([[User talk:Logmanoriginal\|talk]]) 07:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Q at 20:46, 19 May 2020

2020-05-19T20:46:33Z

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	:<q>My goal would be to be able to point someone new to this list and have then go though it during onboarding.</q> - This is one of the reasons I'm contributing to the wiki :)		:<q>My goal would be to be able to point someone new to this list and have then go though it during onboarding.</q> - This is one of the reasons I'm contributing to the wiki :)
	:In my experience, transitioning programmers want to know the difference between what they are used to and how LabVIEW compares to that. Unfortunately this can mean different things to different people. In general, however, they want comparison charts, reference lists, and tips and tricks. Novice programmers on the other hand want to understand the basics and see quick results (otherwise they get demotivated quickly). This is very hard to balance. I suggest to have multiple sections on this portal, perhaps based on the Core 1-3 training levels? So one section would provide links to pages that aid in the training exercises or extend on the knowledge provided in those lessons. --[[User:Logmanoriginal\|Logmanoriginal]] ([[User talk:Logmanoriginal\|talk]]) 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)		:In my experience, transitioning programmers want to know the difference between what they are used to and how LabVIEW compares to that. Unfortunately this can mean different things to different people. In general, however, they want comparison charts, reference lists, and tips and tricks. Novice programmers on the other hand want to understand the basics and see quick results (otherwise they get demotivated quickly). This is very hard to balance. I suggest to have multiple sections on this portal, perhaps based on the Core 1-3 training levels? So one section would provide links to pages that aid in the training exercises or extend on the knowledge provided in those lessons. --[[User:Logmanoriginal\|Logmanoriginal]] ([[User talk:Logmanoriginal\|talk]]) 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
			:*So, should the flow of topics on this page should be the order we think a new programmer should take, then also have links to things a transitioning programmer would need as well? I did create this page to start a comparison for text-based programmers, [[Text-Based terminology]]. I also started the ''[[:Category:Skill Level\|Skill Level]]'' category with ''[[:Category:Beginner\|Beginner]]'', ''[[:Category:Intermediate\|Intermediate]]'', and ''[[:Category:Advanced\|Advanced]]'' subcategories to help with grouping topics. However, some pages have beginner information and ''tips and tricks'' that would be intermediate or advanced on the same page. --[[User:Q\|Q]] ([[User talk:Q\|talk]]) 20:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Logmanoriginal: /* Organization */ Extend on the idea

2020-05-19T20:15:55Z

Organization: Extend on the idea

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	I put this list in the order I think would be best for a new LabVIEW programmer. My goal would be to be able to point someone new to this list and have then go though it during onboarding. Add to this discussion if you think I left something out or if you think the order should be different. Let's come up with the best list we can for both those entirely new to programming and the accomplished programmer just new to LabVIEW. --[[User:Q\|Q]] ([[User talk:Q\|talk]]) 19:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)		I put this list in the order I think would be best for a new LabVIEW programmer. My goal would be to be able to point someone new to this list and have then go though it during onboarding. Add to this discussion if you think I left something out or if you think the order should be different. Let's come up with the best list we can for both those entirely new to programming and the accomplished programmer just new to LabVIEW. --[[User:Q\|Q]] ([[User talk:Q\|talk]]) 19:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
			:<q>My goal would be to be able to point someone new to this list and have then go though it during onboarding.</q> - This is one of the reasons I'm contributing to the wiki :)
			:In my experience, transitioning programmers want to know the difference between what they are used to and how LabVIEW compares to that. Unfortunately this can mean different things to different people. In general, however, they want comparison charts, reference lists, and tips and tricks. Novice programmers on the other hand want to understand the basics and see quick results (otherwise they get demotivated quickly). This is very hard to balance. I suggest to have multiple sections on this portal, perhaps based on the Core 1-3 training levels? So one section would provide links to pages that aid in the training exercises or extend on the knowledge provided in those lessons. --[[User:Logmanoriginal\|Logmanoriginal]] ([[User talk:Logmanoriginal\|talk]]) 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Q: Thoughts on order and content

2020-05-19T19:24:36Z

Thoughts on order and content

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==Organization==
I put this list in the order I think would be best for a new LabVIEW programmer. My goal would be to be able to point someone new to this list and have then go though it during onboarding. Add to this discussion if you think I left something out or if you think the order should be different. Let's come up with the best list we can for both those entirely new to programming and the accomplished programmer just new to LabVIEW. --[[User:Q|Q]] ([[User talk:Q|talk]]) 19:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)